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I believe you did those things, but have viruses been shown to exist using the scientific method without using cell cultures? I can't find a single study or paper that proves that most foundational fact

This quote from Dr. Jordan Grant sums up my issues pretty well:

"I can promise you all right now: you will not find a SINGLE paper in the history of virology which has found the 'thing' inside a human being (or animal), taken that THING as the independent variable in a legitimate experiment, and proven it CAUSES the disease being studied.

That is what is necessary.

When we ask for this, and they give us the cell culture question begging nonsense, you realize it quickly that they have nothing, otherwise they'd be giving us the true scientific papers. It should be easy, if they're there...and they're not.

They do not get off the hook by begging the question. Meaning, they say "virus" as if this entity was ever PROVEN to exist, yet they cannot give you any original papers where such a thing was done.

INSTEAD, they simply PRESUPPOSE (beg the question) that this entity is real, and then engage in their cell culture nonsense and claim the EFFECT they see is "proof of the virus".

This is a logical fallacy. It is affirming the consequent, only worse, because their antecedent hasn't even been shown to EXIST.

For example, if I said "if it rains, my car will be wet. My car is wet, therefore it rained" - this would be a logical fallacy. But the "rain" is known to at least EXIST.

With viruses, it's simply "if my fairy tale belief is true, we will see XYZ in a cell culture. we DO see XYZ, therefore my fairy tale belief is true".

It's the worst form of affirming the consequent because it also incorporates unproven premises.

This is the STANDARD for virology.

once you get this, you can dissect any paper.

IF they claim "we know the virus is there because of the CPE", ask them which paper ever proved that a virus caused CPE, and where "virus" was proven in the first place. You don't get to claim an EFFECT is proof of anything without the antecedent"