waxwing on Nostr: Phoenix can't be mentioned in the same sentence as the others. It's an actual ...

Phoenix can't be mentioned in the same sentence as the others. It's an actual self-custodial lightning wallet that works, seamlessly. "Outrageous fees": as an experiment, I went through my last 5 transactions. Tx1: $2.22 fee: 14 sats 2: $142 fee: 643 sats 3: $141 fee: 641 sats 4: $586 fee: 2644 sats 5: (deposit on chain) $1555 fee: 210 sats. Does that seem outrageous to you? The $586 payment had a high fee of a little over $2, which is like 0.3%; Lightning is like that, it's percentage based. But "high": this is way lower than many other payment methods, and it's instant, sovereign and mainly private.

Overall it's crazy to me that for years now, every time I recommend Phoenix, saying the actual tradeoff is a slightly worse privacy model (but really not bad), I hear people dismiss it as "crazy fees". Just because immediate onboarding (which is a one-time event) to an actually self sovereign wallet costs a couple of bucks doesn't mean "crazy fees"! You don't get everything working perfectly for zero dollars, sheesh.

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All the "easy"self-chstody lightning wallets seem to just use some "don't make me think" slight-of-hand that is ultimately belied as a really crap tradeoff.

Phoenix: Outrageous fees. Quickly looks like shit when you try to onboard someone with $10 and they receive $8.50.Even once they have a channel, the routing fees are like 10x what they should be. Don't demo this to vendors looking to escape credit card fees.

Aqua: Your "lightning" payment gets trapped in some limbo, where you can't tell if it failed, if it's multi-pathing, or whatever the fuck they are doing behind the curtain. Don't demo this to people who want instant settlement.

Wallet of Satoshi/Breez/Blitz: Last mile of the payment is paved with surveilance. Don't use this if you wa to demonstrate censorship resistance.